How to Hardwire Your Internet EVEN WITHOUT Ethernet Wiring in Your House!

Even though Wi-Fi is better than ever these
days, it will never be as good and reliable as a regular old hardwired cable. But not every house or apartment has ethernet
cabling installed, so you may be forced to use Wi-Fi. That may not be a problem if you have a very
strong Wi-Fi signal, and your router is centrally located. But if it’s not, you have to choose between
using a poor wifi connection, or somehow running a long ethernet cable across the home on the
floor, or running it through the walls or vents or something. But what if there was another way… such as using existing, non-ethernet wiring
in your house, to carry the internet signal instead of an actual cat5 or cat6 ethernet
cable. Turns out, YOU CAN! And with a few different methods actually. In this video we’ll be talking about two that
I’m aware of. I’ll go over how they work, and we’ll also
be testing them out to see how WELL they actually work. The first is called “MoCA”, which stands for
“Multimedia over Coax”. This technology allows you to run an ethernet
data signal over coaxal cable lines. The adapters, which you put one on each side
of the coax line, have both coax and ethernet ports on them. So you take an ethernet cable from your router
into one adapter, then attach it to the coax cable, then on the other side, plug your computer
into the other adapter just like you would an ethernet wall jack. And you can actually use this even if you
are already using the coax cable for your TV; which is why there are two coax plugs
on each adapter. So clearly the advantage here is that pretty
much every house and apartment will have coax cables run to many rooms, even if they don’t
have ethernet. And if your coax network is all connected
together, you should be able to add more than just two MoCA adapters, and they can all talk
to eachother, which is nice, so it doesn’t have to be just a direct line. Now MOCA claims to be able to carry gigabit
speeds, but of course we’ll test that out to see if it’s true. The other technology we can cover is called
“PowerLine”. Which literally uses your electrical wiring
in your home to carry an ethernet data signal between adapters. We’ll get into how this actually works in
a bit, but the cool thing about this is you can theoretically plug these adapters into
any AC plugs in your home, even on different circuits, and it will still carry the signal. And you aren’t even limited to just two adapters,
in fact depending on the model you get, you can have up to 64 nodes! Now some brands claim powerline can also handle
up to gigabit speeds, depending on conditions, but again, we’ll have to see if that holds
up. So before we get to testing the speeds of
everything, let’s go over how each works exactly. And we can begin with MoCA. There are actually different generations of
MoCA technology with different speeds. The current latest version you can buy is
called “MoCA 2.0 Bonded”, which has a theoretical max throughput of 1000 Mbps. And there’s actually an even newer version,
MoCA 2.5, which can do up to 2500 Mbps, but apparently is only available to ISPs, so us
regular consumers can’t buy it yet for some stupid reason. Anyway, the way MoCA works shouldn’t come
as a surprise, since ISPs have been using coaxal lines coming into your house for internet
for years, so the idea is the same. You have a coax cable capable of carrying
large amounts of data, whether that be an analog TV signal or digial signal, and we
simply install 2 adapters that are cable of transmitting data over that kind of cable,
and then translate it onto an ethernet cable to continue on. And coax cables carry data using high frequency
electrical signals just like ethernet cables, just using less copper connections. A coax cable technically has two “wires” inside,
one in the center, and one on outside, whereas an ethernet cable actually has eight. When we go to install the MoCA adapters, how
we do it will depend on whether you’re already using the coax cable for TV or not. If not, it’s really dead simple, on one end
of the coax cable, which is probably a wall outlet, you attach the cable to the “coax
in” on the adapter, and the ethernet to your first ethernet device like your computer,
or even a wifi extender. On the other end, which might go to a cable
cabinet, you do the same thing, and attach the ethernet plug from the adapter into your
router. Then, that’s it, you have a hardwire connection. If you already using your Coax cables for
TV, the setup is a bit different. In that case, the TV coax signal goes through
your house kind of like the branches on a tree, with the incoming signal from the cable
company coming in one wire, and then being split to different floors and rooms, and may
be split multiple times. But, with MoCA you don’t actually need the
connection to be direct, it should work through splits in your network, and on different “branches”. So what you do in this case is go to whatever
rooms you want for the ethernet outputs, and first plug the coax cable that’s in use into
the “Coax” in, and another cable from the “TV Out” connection, and connect it to where
it was originally. So basically just putting this adapter in
the middle. Also keep in mind though these MoCA adapters
apparently won’t work if you are using them with Satellite TV service because they use
the same frequencies on the coax as these adapters. Now onto PowerLine, which is actually even
easier to set up, but we’ll have to see later if it works as well. Literally all you have to do with these is
plug two of these into two different AC outlets, and press the pair button on both, and they’ll
be connected. Two things to keep in mind are that you can’t
plug these into a powerstrip, because they will filter out the modulations used to carry
the data, and also these adapters will work better if they are connected on the same circuit,
which you can determine by looking at your circuit breaker. How these Powerline adapters work is they
modify the the eletrical signal going through the house. Typical AC electricity in your home will be
either 60 or 50 Hz depending on your country. Whereas these powerline adapters combine that
with a frequency anywhere from 2 to 100 Megahertz, using the original AC frequency as a carrier
signal. So visually that might look like the signal
going from this, to this, where the data signal is hidden within the big main signal. Alright so now that we know how MoCA and Powerline
are going to work, let’s go ahead and test them out. I’m going to be using a bandwidth testing
program called iPerf3, it’s a free command line program and works great. First of all, I want to get a baseline for
how fast a direct ethernet connection would be between two of my computers. So no switches or routers or anything in between,
literally just an ethernet cable plugging into each computer, so we can the maximum
speed of the LAN controllers. When I run it, you can see it maxes out at
about 940 Mbps, pretty close to a gigabit. So if either technology can match that speed,
that would be pretty darn good. Let’s start by testing out the Powerline adapters. We’ll do an ideal test first, where both adapters
are in the same room, and on the same circuit. Remember, these claim to be able to do gigabit. So you can see I have one plugged in on one
wall, and that cable goes around to my desktop, and the other powerline adapter goes to my
laptop right here. When we run the test, you can see we’re only
getting about 90 Mbps, not anywhere close to the theoretical gigabit. I also tried running the test with multiple
parallel threads, and the result was the same. So if that’s the result in ideal conditions,
what is it in not ideal conditions? Well this time I took the adapter and plugged
it into the kitchen, which is the room over, and is on a different circuit. This time, as you can imagine, it did even
worse, getting only around 30 Mbps, and again the result was the same with parallel mode. But that wasn’t even the worst one, because
in my kitchen there’s a plug on the side of the counter, and when I tried that one, it
barely connected at all. You can see when it does connect, it’s only
about 1.5 Mbps, but most of the time it fails. So clearly, Powerline performance really depends
on your home’s wiring, and probably is not great if you need fast speeds. But if you’re connecting something that doesn’t
require fast speeds and doesn’t have WiFi, perhaps like a printer or something, it might
still serve a purpose. So Powerline is a bit disappointing, hopefully
the MoCA adapters will perform better. For the firest test, we’ll do another 100%
ideal scenario, so here we’re literally connecting them with a 3 foot coaxal cable, and the connection
is between two laptops right next to eachother. When we run the tests, well, they do a LOT
better. Right around 940 Mbps, which we determined
was the maximum even for direct ethernet connections in my case. So this is looking real promising. I will point out I had to run iPerf with parallel
threads to get these speeds, otherwise it was only getting around 400 Mbps. That’s not a bad thing, it’s still getting
gigabit over the coax, it’s just something to be aware of if you can’t seem to get the
maximum speeds, that might be why. And now for a more real life scenario, I took
one of the MoCA adapters all the way to the other side of the apartment, where all my
coaxial and ethernet cables terminate, and yes I know it’s a complete mess of cables,
don’t worry about it. The other adapter is in the room with my desktop,
so there’s proably at least 50 feet of coax cable between these. And for the moment of truth. It’s AGAIN around 940 Mbps! The average here is slightly lower than that
because the first few seconds are always lower as it apparently warms up. But for all intents and purposes, there is
no noticeable loss in speed. One thing to know though is MoCA adapters
do introduce about 3 milliseconds of extra latency, which in most cases is completely
negligible, but just be aware of it. So as you can see, at least in my experiences
here, we’ve determined that while both of these technologies work, MoCA seems to be
far superior. Powerline is more convenient because you probably
have WAY more AC plugs than coax plugs in your home, but the speed just isn’t anywhere
near ethernet, and probably slower than Wi-Fi in some cases. MoCA on the other hand, at least when they’re
connected directly with no splitters between, seems literally just as fast as ethernet,
which I wasn’t expecting at all. Keep in mind though I do not have a television
signal on these coax lines, and I couldn’t test it because I don’t have cable TV, so
I’m not sure how that would affect anything, if at all. Still, I think these tests will be useful
for anyone who might want to improve their options for expanding their home network. Alright so if you want to keep watching guys
I’ve got some other videos right on here you can check out, and be sure to subscribe because
I make a few new videos every week. I’m looking forward to hearing from you in
the comments, and until next time, have a good one.

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100 thoughts on “How to Hardwire Your Internet EVEN WITHOUT Ethernet Wiring in Your House!

  1. I would rather use Wi-Fi because my computer is cable plug anyway to go through all that trouble to make every room in your house cable ready is a pain

  2. Best hope mom doesnt turn on her cake mixer – just imagine the interference then !
    Or hope dad isn't doing any arc welding in the garage…
    Or hope brother doesn't kick on his 2000 Watt ham radio transmitter…
    I'll pass using unshielded house wiring – not to mention, how many people you know have went around and cleaned and/or tightened up any and all electrical connections at each end of
    every house wire in the house since they were initially installed ? Remember at these connections where the wire is actually exposed to the air, they oxidize over time and actually shrink
    in diameter thus they will begin to arc over time. This is why the wire ends are not a nice bright shiny copper color after a while. I used to go around and re-tighten mine up once every
    year, yep that included every recepticle in the place.
    Just thought as an electronic's and RF engineer for over 40 years I'd pass along a couple tid-bits…
    Oh, and as all the 5G transmitters get installed in our neighborhoods and our brain cells get constantly bombarded with this, lets hope that interference doesn't add to this issue too.
    5G, man introducing a weaponized RF frequency transmitter less than 500 ft from us bombarding us constantly, I hate to think of the long term consequences of that.
    Good time to stock up on catastraphic cancer insurance while you can still get it !!!!!!!!!

  3. Okay. So you're missing one GIANT point in this video, which is… If you're going to run a MoCA network in your home, then you need to install a MoCA Filter where your cable comes into the building. MoCA signals can travel outside your building to the rest of the cable network nearby, which can cause interference with other MoCA networks, as well as noise that can disrupt the cable network in general and give your cable provider a reason to disconnect you until you fix the problem.

  4. this video is amazing!! thanks so much, Joe! do you know if I can mix old moca adapters with the new ones you mentioned? we have had moca for our Tivo units for about 9 years but want to ditch the wifi and need a couple more. I'm guessing we can mix and match but wanted your expert opinion!

  5. At 8:10 you were plugging into the kitchen outlet which (by code) is a GFI outlet, this is like plugging into a power strip. Good review and education on these technologies, thumbs up.

  6. I have zytel Ethernet powerline adapters and they work extremely well. I did have one burnout after about four years. I have the older 500 series, and the newer 1200 or 2000 series.

  7. I tried with Powerline and it was terribly unreliable, tried to get the network from the basement to 2nd floor, since WLAN had trouble going through the concrete.
    Especially if you plan on charging devices in your home, we identified 2 chargers which would completely shut down the Powerline when connected, others would just worsen the connection, which even with everything non-essential unplugged we would get only 20Mbit/s at best (average more like 10Mbits) of our available 57,6Mbit/s.
    Heck at times even the WLan -> Wlan extender setup we tried to replace with Powerline worked better.

    Electric wire isnt that old, maybe 2 decades now, so shouldnt be the issue.

    I just repurposed an old telephone cable we had in the wall. (no shielding, no twisted pairs, just 4 wires), getting a stable 46Mbit/s now. So if you got some analog phone wires in your wall (even if you still got an analog phone/fax connected, a single phone usually won't take all wires in such a cable and you only need 4 wires), you can repurpose that. A dedicated cable, no matter how shitty, is still way better than Powerline).
    For anything above 100Mbit you'd probably need 8 wires and crosstalk might have a bigger impact when you use a shitty cable like I did.

  8. im using xfinity and Eero routers and wireless is only giving me around 150mbps download and I pay for 400 and im told it's because its wire less so maybe the mocha will work hope so cuz its not good

  9. Hiya Thio Joe! Thanks for sharing this video. I really like the idea of using the existing coax for Ethernet. I'm only hesitant due to the cost of the ActinTec MOCA adapters. At $80./each (Amazon), I find it steep; especially because I will likely need three. Are there cheaper options? I see DECA adapters, but their speed is limited to 100 Mbps. Any suggestions, from you, or others, are welcome! TIA.

  10. I was just looking into this. Nice video. Seems you also make good ones. I remeber your channel as more of a joke hoax….. increasing speeds by wrapping cables around a CD…. 🙂

    Ps: not all splitters support a back channel! And they need to support the frequency of MoCA

  11. I work for a cable communications company and our moca extenders can get up to gigabit speeds. Our modems produce moca already when our wifi is on. That's also with having television services.

  12. I went and bought a set of moca adapters from Best Buy and installed it in my house. The speeds were 1/10th of what I expected (94 Mbps instead of 940 Mbps). I called their tech support a couple of times and they had me test the speeds after connecting the 2 adapters together in the same room. The speed was about 230 Mbps. The iMac in the same room was showing speeds of 940 Mbps while connected directly to the router. They suggested I return the adapters to the store for a refund because I had some problems with my cable wiring behind the walls 🙁

  13. Can you please do a detailed video on hard wiring a phone or tablet to Ethernet.
    I have tried using an Ethernet to micro usb adapter and can't make it work! ?

  14. Trying to do a work from home type of job but I'm living in an apartment that already provides their own internet, so do you think this would work?

  15. We tried powerline network adapters, they are very unreliable, especially if you have a fairly large ring main where the powerline adapter loses pairing with the other one

  16. MoCA adapters are the most underrated products in the entire world. I learned about them years ago as a renter and I've used them ever since

  17. For the Powerline signals. I wonder if the quality of the circuits (ie. power factor & power harmony), which can cause noise in the circuitry, is a factor in the signal strength?

  18. does the internet provider to to activate these? do these work on the fly, i have a cable coaxial in another room. can i use one of these and get ethernet without calling the cable company?

  19. Thio joe you can't have that many cable Splitters on a single line you're better off to get a multi splitter I did go off that to each ditional room

  20. I'm in Australia and have been using the power lines in my home for a few years now. I have a long home with internet cable entering the home at one end and my PC set-up at the other end of the house. I have a couple of other plugs set up through out the house so we can plug laptops into them as well. I also have a couple of security cameras setup throughout the house that use the powerlines as well. Finally I have an outlet setup in the garage, which is a separate building, so I can have a security camera there as well. The system works perfectly and even allows me to use Skype for video calls without any problems. The powerline system is great.

  21. I tried powerline. Only managed 25mbps. I am about to run a wire outside of my house but wondering now about moca instead. Can I use any 2 coax outlets in the house even if they are wired by separate cables? I just bought a drill bit, 100 foot cable, and wall plate for my bedroom. Looks easy enough to wire up just not sure I want to do structural damage to the outside of the house

  22. Powerline unsecured? hackable easy password data intercept .
    MocCa direct connection lag time for HD ? overall ??
    WiFi ???dependant on environment.
    Either net connection #1???? that's why it's a industry standard. Short tutorial over a long video.

  23. I purchased something similar to MoCA, they did not work when connected to the house cabling. I believe it is caused by the sattelite dish distributor box in the attic. So each room cable go to the attic and connects to the distributor box. Apparently that blocks the signal between rooms.
    Powerline adapters gave really unstable speeds, I heard it is caused by the rooms being on different circuit breakers and the signal has to go through the main distribution board.
    Both cases is of course not US related, I live in Germany.

  24. I was going to try MoCA but I am afraid it might cause a problem with the cable TV and internet. There are TWO coaxial cables here (one for both). I am just concerned that MoCA might interfere with the DOCSIS 3.0 connection or the cable TV (digital).

  25. Strip the shield off 6 feet of coax, or connect 6 feet of single conductor wire to the center terminal to one device. This should act as an antenna. On the other end connect a TV and see if you are receiving OTA TV signals. You can also connect an second DIY antenna to the second device instead of a TV. Note this is adding antennas is not for the purposes of receiving a TV signal, although it will unless there are TV signals near you, but is simply to add ANY RD noise. This should test if the MoCA works under less than ideal conditions.

  26. This is amazing. Do you know how much radiation the wi-fi on many of these gateways is giving off? HUGE. ISP providers have been overpowering their wi-fi and turning peoples homes into 4G booster stations for years and not telling warning them about how much radiation is involved. Most of them, you cannot turn down and they do not turn off, even unplugged because they have batteries and capacitors. I have seen numerous ones that emit like 10,000 micro-watts per meter squared at the source. They should not be in use within 10 feet of anything you do not want harmed. The only thing you can do with most of them is disable their wi-fi and attach a seperate box with antennas, radio power control and an off button to get control of your wi-fi radiation exposure. Some people try to faraday them, but that does not really give you control to shut it down when you want to sleep.

    Thank you for this video.

  27. If you are using PLC, I hope the wiring in your house is shielded and that you are protecting the inbound main cable against signals going out (e. g. by installing ferrite cores) and also protecting other electronic devices against the HF on the wire (also by installing ferrite cores)?
    Because if not, you are going to incur several problems:
    1. The cabling is going to become a giant antenna that emits the HF put onto the wire by the PLC adapters. This HF can then cause interference somewhere else, e. g. with receiving terrestrial radio or TV.
    2. The HF on the wire can reach other electronic devices and cause unpredictable behavior if they aren't properly shielded.
    3. If the HF is leaving your house's power grid and reaches other houses/apartments, it can cause interference there as well. What does the FCC say about this?

    It's exactly these reasons why I would NOT use PLC. I'd instead use WiFi, possibly with an amplifier if the signal loss is too severe, or dedicated Ethernet cables. The latter have the advantage of being shielded, against both radio irradiation and emission.

  28. You saved me a lot of time and money. I was just about to re-wire my house, but not anymore. Thank you and regards from Brazil

  29. As a coax professional installer and repair, please do not use the coax method. It can cause a lot of ingress on the coax cable.

    Use powerlines. This video is not a good example. I've installed them for 8 years. And this was the worst case scenario I've ever seen. Although I'm from Belgium … Things are different here

  30. HomePlug (the name for the powerline Ethernet standard most commonly used) is certainly a YMMV situation. It works well for some and not well for others. A lot has to do with how much noise there is on your powerline. Fluorescent bulbs are partially bad at creating powerline noise and newer LED bulbs are much better. Other home electronics can also cause problems. With a bit of work you can track down the offending devices and either replace them or install a filter to block the noise.

    Also, when using MoCA when you have cable, a special filter should be installed where the cable signal enters your home to prevent the MoCA signals from leaking to your neighbors.

  31. The main reason powerline doesn't work so well is because your home's electrical wiring has less sheilding than your coaxial network. I have a video Im working on (wont be out for a few more weeks yet) that goes in deptch on these solutions.

  32. I have power line on different circuits and the work great. What you have to consider when using them is the "Noise". I noticed when I had more things plugged in on the circuit the performance died. For example I was getting poor speeds on my gaming desktop, Online gaming was almost impossible as well as watching Netflix or any other streaming site. However my performance increased significantly after removing my mini fridge from the circuit as well as not sharing an outlet with another device. As you see in the video the outlet used for the Powerline adapter is shared with a power bar. That is going to reduce the performance.

  33. rip my house power line doesn't work coz my room and the wifi room is on 2 separate DCR loop. means if I have short in my room, it won't trip the whole house.
    also, my house doesn't use coaxial cable since it is in Australia….

  34. Theo' My cable provider accidentally gave me a modem that they hadn't capped yet as usual they may catch it soon But as for right now I'm getting 236.48 download 11.73 up;load Both mbps

  35. The power option can also throw out some real RF problems there has been a lot of problems when providers tried to do this on a large scale.

  36. Funny how POE is older than he is – AND it's brand new! We never knew about it until now!. I feel sorry for you in a lightning storm.

  37. Fibre LC media converter is the best. Thin fibre lines and go far in the house without dropping speeds and doesn't add 3ms latency like coax. About .25 more ms overhead.

  38. Thank you for these videos ThioJoe. I would like to ask you, recently I switched to 400 mb (Spectrum) and all my wired PCs are showing speeds of well above 400 mbs, some even close to 500. There is one desktop though that it goes only up to 300mb, changed the wiring (to Cat6), the network card, clean-install Windows 10, tested directly to the router and to other outlet (RJ45) were the other PCs get higher speeds. Do you have a recommendation/suggestion on this regard? Thank you.

  39. Pffffft! Dude I wired paper cups to my PCs and Tablets – then connected them with kite strings using hot glue. Once in a while a signal will get stuck, but just change out a string and its back to business as usual.

  40. I haven't been on this channel in years, I could have sworn this was a joke channel but I like this content too.

  41. Research 'dangers of dirty electricity'

    You are filling your wiring with dirty electricity.

    It is detrimental to health.

  42. There is a third way. Most homes around 2003 or newer use CAT5e ethernet cables to transmit phone singals. They only use 2 of the wires, but you could just get a network switch, new ethernet wall connecters, and wallplates, and there you go! Ethernet over phone lines! RIP people with old homes, LOL!

  43. I've been using Powerline adapters for years, they're very convenient but I didn't realize how much they limit the dowload speed. I tested one of mine just now just using an online Speedtest. My pc hardwired via ethernet got 650 Mbps, the pc in the same room on a powerline adapter, 30. sheesh.. but they work great for the security cameras on my property even using different circuits, even outdoor ones.

  44. I just divide bits by 10 to get a close approximation to Bytes. Then realize it is a very little more.

    This way it is easy to just get a quick Bit to Byte or reverse calculation when comparing speeds or Memory Sizes.

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